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DemonRHK
Day-3 00:22
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If you're under the delusion that I'm going to get a watch off if we lynch ND, you're stupid, no offense.
thamrick
Day-3 00:22
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↑DemonRHK: "I know I'm the goddamn watcher. It's not a risk from where I'm sitting, of course it's worth it to hang Yavu.

Every per..."
I don't know you're the goddamn watcher. I 100% understand why you're voting Yav.

And yep. That's true. If I had a gun, he'd have already been shot.
captainmeme
Day-3 00:19
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##vote ND
RagingIke297
Day-3 00:18
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D3 Vote Count 6.0

ND (9): yavuzovic, Maniac, thamrick, reedeer1, rdrivera2005, Foxcastle, bozotheclown, Balki Bartokomous, captainmeme
yavuzovic (6): DemonRHK, bo_sox48, Tom Bombadil, ND, VashtaNeurotic, MeanLaQueefa

End votes (1/8): DemonRHK

Currently ND is set to be lynched!

You have 18 minutes remaining.
captainmeme
Day-3 00:17
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I think we should go along with the copscan thing and see where that takes us.
Balki Bartokomous
Day-3 00:16
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I WANT TO SEE NOW!

##END
Foxcastle
Day-3 00:14
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I'd like to be done before 6 to get to a movie.

##END
thamrick
Day-3 00:13
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##END
RagingIke297
Day-3 00:11
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ND (9): yavuzovic, Maniac, thamrick, reedeer1, rdrivera2005, Foxcastle, bozotheclown, Balki Bartokomous, captainmeme
yavuzovic (6): DemonRHK, bo_sox48, Tom Bombadil, ND, VashtaNeurotic, MeanLaQueefa

End votes (4/8): DemonRHK, Balki Bartokomous, Foxcastle, Thamrick,

Currently ND is set to be lynched!

You have 10 minutes remaining.
DemonRHK
Day-3 00:05
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By the way, that claim you're following isn't even bothering to be around.
Foxcastle
Day-3 00:04
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It's 2 AM in Turkey.
thamrick
Day-3 00:03
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@BB - hope you're enjoying the show

https://youtu.be/-fesv7_fXvs (miss u boo)
RagingIke297
Day-3 00:01
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DAY HAS ENDED PLEASE HOLD
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RagingIke297
Night-3 23:59
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FINAL D3 Vote Count

ND (9): yavuzovic, Maniac, thamrick, reedeer1, rdrivera2005, Foxcastle, bozotheclown, Balki Bartokomous, captainmeme
yavuzovic (6): DemonRHK, bo_sox48, Tom Bombadil, ND, VashtaNeurotic, MeanLaQueefa

End votes (4/8): DemonRHK, Balki Bartokomous, Foxcastle, Thamrick,

The members of toon town, high on getting two members of the baddies in a row, surround their two suspects today.

"One of these two knows something!" a toon shouts.

"Let’s get Yavuzovic!" several toons call out.

"No, let’s see who ND actually is!" Even more toons shout.

Commotion ensues.

After all the dust settles ND has DIED, he was Bugs Bunny a Vanilla Townie

Night 3 has begun, you may now post
thamrick
Night-3 23:58
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K bye Yavuz.
DemonRHK
Night-3 23:58
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WELP
DemonRHK
Night-3 23:57
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Only gloat post:

Fuck absolutely everyone.
Tom Bombadil
Night-3 23:56
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Christ. I wish I wasn’t skiing.

This should have never happened. Watcher would have ccd. Luckily cop wasn’t an idiot and counterclaimed.

At least yavu done suicided.
thamrick
Night-3 23:55
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Lol what a desperate play by Yavuzovic. I really cannot wait to read the Mafia and God QTs.
Maniac
Night-3 23:53
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Oh no not Bugs Bunny, I don't want to be responsible for killing bugs. That's the problem with this game, we kill some of the most beloved toons.

RIP ND
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VashtaNeurotic
Night-3 23:45
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Wow...just....wow?
All that to kill, ND?
rdrivera2005
Night-3 23:13
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RIP ND.
I can't believe Yav decided to trade himself for a VT. Pretty lame even for him.
With three scum down, we just need Cop or Watcher to get some more nights to be on auto-win. Nurse can protect Demon and Demon can make a wise choice on who to watch.
DemonRHK
Night-3 23:09
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↑rdrivera2005: "RIP ND.
I can't believe Yav decided to trade himself for a VT. Pretty lame even for him.
With three scum down, we just ..."
Wanna try again?
rdrivera2005
Night-3 22:38
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↑DemonRHK: "Wanna try again?"
Try what?
DemonRHK
Night-3 22:28
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↑rdrivera2005: "Try what?"
Choose only 1. Plus hooker.
rdrivera2005
Night-3 22:00
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↑DemonRHK: "Choose only 1. Plus hooker."
I still don't get what you mean. Hooker can RB you, but in this case Cop get a new scan if he isn't killed. But yes, you are likely to be RBed. But Nurse should still protect you.
VashtaNeurotic
Night-3 22:00
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Hooker rbs, and Nurse rbs...
rdrivera2005
Night-3 21:58
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↑VashtaNeurotic: "Hooker rbs, and Nurse rbs..."
I keep forgetting this. Well, then it's a gamble on what Nurse and scum would choose to do and I will stop talking about it.
MeanLaQueefa
Night-3 21:42
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Seems like no matter who I vote for, it never works out.

Interesting town points going to vash and tom. I'm not sure if the other two remaining scum would bus yav or not though. Bo is almost certainly town after his push on yav though. Balki looking scummy again with his switch to ND and meme is looking worse as well. I could believe either of them doing it as town though. Out of the earlier ND voters, reedeer and bozo look the most scummy to me because bozo's argument doesn't make sense and reedeer didn't give an argument, just told everyone to stop claiming or fake claiming and plopped a vote on the only guy who wasn't doing that. rdr, fox, and tham seemed like they just thought playing it safe was the right move, but that's my take away from it. I'll dig some more during the night and get some reads up.
Foxcastle
Night-3 20:10
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RIP ND

What an absurd ploy by Yavuz.

I wonder if he will claim that he's Vanilla Townie and was simply convinced ND was scum, and so fakeclaimed Cop to convince us to lynch ND, with the intention of retracting after. (Similar to how he shot Ezio last game, on pure instinct.) Which doesn't follow from his messages very well, but... who knows with Yavuz?

The Cop and Gunslinger claiming could have cleared up several situations today, but I think it's good that they remain hidden until the game is a little narrower. And DemonRHK remains un-CC'd, so...
VashtaNeurotic
Night-3 18:49
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So 3 of the remaining 3/4 mafia (I forget which tbh) are probably yavu, Mean and rdr. That's the only reason I see yavuz making a claim like that.
thamrick
Night-3 18:42
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3 left Vash lol
VashtaNeurotic
Night-3 17:32
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Also Maniac still has his gun right? Also if I get a gun I'll shoot yavuz. This is like the ONE situation where I am fine with a gun being used.
DemonRHK
Night-3 17:23
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If I end up with a gun somehow, I'm hipfiring Yavu at start of day, full stop. GS let that help guide your decision.
DemonRHK
Night-3 17:10
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↑yavuzovic: "I'm in doubt about me now 😁,
My suspicions will be nothing if ND is Miller and his soul will turn back to make me met wit..."
...I mean, there's no way, right? Two of the strongest reads for remaining scum are in this (Mean and especially rd)
↑rdrivera2005: "I am starting to think Yav could be Stalker. But still not sure about lynching him.

I have to leave in 30 minutes to a ..."
More hedge than a garden party.
↑reedeer1: "@Bo
I understand your sentiment, but lynching ND is the safer option. I am of the opinion that ND is town, and that Yuav..."
"I'm pretty sure that ND is town and Yavu is scum, but let's lynch ND anyway."
reedeer playing 4D Checkers there.
↑thamrick: "I'm still baffled that Ezio's shooter hasn't come out. They're going to be outed tomorrow night anyways. The longer they..."
I have a sneaking suspicion I know what happened here. Would the real shooter like to come forward?
↑captainmeme: "I think we should go along with the copscan thing and see where that takes us."
Yep. That copscan thing. No mulling the options, just fuck ND.
bo_sox48
Night-3 16:31
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lol
yavuzovic
Night-3 14:41
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I hate to swear for game but FUCK,
You'll hate me, I'm town too.
Now shoot me.
yavuzovic
Night-3 12:45
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I really hard scumread him,
Look at his reaction on my first vote for him.

​"@Yavuzovic: “Also don’t want to attract ND’s wrath” Interesting. Tell me more about my wrath."
Townsperson, really?
I wanted to convince you that he is scum because I was convinced.
I did a real shitwork.
This is really bad for town; two VT (or Miller if I'm the Miller) will die.
BAD ENDING
yavuzovic
Night-3 12:43
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I know I can't escape from death,
I won't defend myself, but you will see I'm innocent. 😭
Maniac
Night-3 12:42
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↑VashtaNeurotic: "Hooker rbs, and Nurse rbs..."
I’m a visual learner. To remember stuff I visualise things. I’m going to
Visualise a hooker dressed as nurse to remember this.

Be back soon
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Foxcastle
Night-3 09:27
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To start: I think Yavuz has to die now, so do not interpret this as a defense.

But I think there's a real chance he's Town. After his claim, there was discussion that his messages on Page 80 could be... well, not crumbs, but Cop-signaling.

"Are there any conspicuous claim creates preassure on somebody? I mean does anyone always criminate a player?"

This was hard to read for the language barrier, but I think he's asking if hardclaiming a PR always incriminates that player.

"There's a cop and he investigates somebody. If a person charges each other, that might mean he have really strong suspicious [suspicions]."

Which, in hind sight, seems to say, a PR claim to accuse another player might just be based on strong suspicions. So here, he didn't crumb so much as signal what he might have done: fakeclaim as town to try to lynch what he thought was really scum.

This was during night phase, and there were 2 hours between his first message and the second. If he was being coached in the mafia QT, would it look different?

If he's scum, what are the chances this is was orchestrated with his scummates to sacrifice himself and protect someone else? I think this is possible, but I also tend to think that Grand Scum Conspiracies are way less likely than town thinks.

If he's scum, what are the chances he did this on his own in a really, really stupid move to just get himself killed. I think that's unlikely. Yavuz isn't that dumb.

The main thing that gives me pause is that he lied about the Brainbomb scan too. But then, last game, when he secretly shot a fellow townie, he also lied to cover that up. But I do totally believe that town-Yavuz would fakeclaim to try to lynch someone he Knew In His Heart was scum.

I think this possibility means we should be careful about how we process his exit, to try to get more information on other players before just lynching/shooting Yavuz.
Maniac
Night-3 08:52
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I fear you may be right Foxcastle about Yavuz being town who got carried away. Apart from the points you raise he claimed with absolutely no pressure on him. Earlier when he was on my shoot list, he didn't claim. PRs were explicitly instructed not to claim unless it was 100% certain it would help town (and then think twice).

I think we're getting carried away with finding 3rd scum. There is still all to play for.

Regards shooting yavuz now, there is an optimum time at night to shoot scum and that isn't now.
rdrivera2005
Night-3 08:43
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↑Maniac : "I fear you may be right Foxcastle about Yavuz being town who got carried away. Apart from the points you raise he claime..."
Shoots at Night adjudicate only at EON.

And if Yav is town this is the worst town play I ever seen, is so ridiculous I can't believe.
Foxcastle
Night-3 08:10
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@Yavuz, now that the truth is coming out, Yavuz, I want to you to confess if you shot Ezio, or are you still denying that?
thamrick
Night-3 07:58
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@MLQ - you said you had a lot of F2F experience playing Mafia and similar games. You mentioned that the "Witch is normally town aligned" way back. How did you incorporate roles into F2F? I only ever played vanilla roles when I've played F2F. And how does the Witch role function when town aligned?
rdrivera2005
Night-3 07:50
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↑Foxcastle: "@Yavuz, now that the truth is coming out, Yavuz, I want to you to confess if you shot Ezio, or are you still denying tha..."
Why someone with half a brain will give Yav an army?
Foxcastle
Night-3 07:36
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I don't know, rdrivera, but looking over the list of people who could have shot Ezio, I think Yavuz is the only one who would have done so as Town and then hid it, so I want him to confess if it was him.

But yes, you're right, looking over the list of people who could be Gunsmith, I can't imagine any of them giving Yavuz a gun. But then that introduces the question of why would a townie shoot Ezio unannounced and then not claim it; or why would scum shoot Ezio without some plausible cover, knowing that the Gunsmith could out them.
yavuzovic
Night-3 07:29
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↑Foxcastle: "@Yavuz, now that the truth is coming out, Yavuz, I want to you to confess if you shot Ezio, or are you still denying tha..."
I didn't shoot him, how can I accept?
reedeer1
Night-3 06:25
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I would also shoot yuav if gunned.
MeanLaQueefa
Night-3 05:58
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Tham, that's an odd question about the witch. but in F2F mafia, the witch is woken by the mod at night after the werewolves have killed someone, and they're asked if they want to use their one save per game on them (the mod gestures to the player who is dying) and they can decide. They also have a poison they can use to kill one player that they can decide to use once per game as well, only during the night.

For lots of role games, we made a sheet with all the roles and the order in which to wake them up each night for the mod to use.

Also, yav, if you were really fake claiming cop as a town vt, you'd have kept claiming it into the night so you could at least make a crappy attempt to bait a nk.
thamrick
Night-3 05:56
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@Foxy - why are you trying to paint Yav as town? I’m not denying it’s a possibility he was just stupid. But you seem to be operating under the impression he IS town
thamrick
Night-3 05:48
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@MLQ - I was just curious. Seems weird to notify the witch who is going to die ahead of time.

And I agree. I find Yav’s retraction very unbelievable.
Foxcastle
Night-3 05:29
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↑thamrick: "@Foxy - why are you trying to paint Yav as town? I’m not denying it’s a possibility he was just stupid. But you seem to ..."
I'm not trying to paint him as town, I'm just acknowledging that I think there's a reasonable explanation where he is town, and that given my previous experience of him, I think the explanation is somewhat possible.

And as for why: because scum are ahead of us on this one. They know exactly what has happened with Yavuz—whether it was a dumb scum play, a dumb town play, or a Grand Scheme to sacrifice Yavuz. We have 5+ hours before another townie dies (though I doubt much discussion will happen before then or immediately after, given it's a Sunday night and at least some of game will be watching the Superb Owl), and need to do something useful with the day phase that helps us find the next scum after Yavuz dies. At least considering the various alternatives is useful, rather than waiting for him to flip and saying "now what?"
yavuzovic
Night-3 05:26
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Haven't you shot me yet.

​"yuav"
^Stop this reedeer, that's second time.(Nothing if we compare with brainbomb's wrong spelling of my name. 6 times.)
thamrick
Night-3 05:21
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Okay. So beyond Yav, what rocks are you kicking over?

@Yav - if you're still rooting for the town, who do you think we should look at? Likely scum candidates? You've been focused on ND so long I can't remember who else you've been suspicious of.
Foxcastle
Night-3 05:17
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If Yavuz is scum, then yesterday the scum team wanted to bus him for town credit (for when he flips scum), but still make sure ND got lynched to kill off another townie.

But if he's town, they definitely wanted to lynch ND first, and knew they won't get town credit when he flips town, and still want to lynch him today. Maybe even want to see the gunshot be wasted on him.

So I'm all for getting rid of Yavuz, because at this point his death gives us information about D3 votes and we can't trust him anyway. If we don't kill him, the scumteam probably won't kill him, because they think we'll do it for them or because they think the level of distrust at this point helps them.
thamrick
Night-3 05:11
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Yeah. It's hard to get much info out of yesterday until we know the alignment of Yav. I found the stubbornness of Bo clinging to the Yav lynch odd.

RHK has been oddly quiet for someone who thinks they've got a good likelihood of dying.
Balki Bartokomous
Night-3 05:08
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@Yavuz, if you are town, please spend your time trying to figure out who is scum and give us your best thoughts before the End of Night.
Foxcastle
Night-3 04:54
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Not to continue to tunnel on DemonRHK, but if you believe that there was a Deliberate Conspiracy™ to Yavuz's ploy that was orchestrated by the scumteam (which I think is unlikely), it's interesting that Yavuz claimed Brainbomb as his N1 copscan. As DemonRHK himself points out, one of the options is that "Someone else was badly exposed and Yavu is the sacrifice fly to try to get them under again." Without the competing Brainbomb claims, DemonRHK's watcher claim is completely separate from Yavuz's cop/ND claim.

This is only worth considering if Yavuz flips scum, though, so I'll leave it here and only come back to it for further thought/elaboration/investigation if that's the case.
thamrick
Night-3 04:47
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↑Foxcastle: "Not to continue to tunnel on DemonRHK, but if you believe that there was a Deliberate Conspiracy™ to Yavuz's ploy that w..."
I agree that we shouldn't blindly accept RHK's claim or his inevitable claim of a RB.
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MeanLaQueefa
Night-3 04:45
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I think the fact that yav picked brainbomb as his first scan shows that it wasn't an orchestrated effort on the scum team's part, intelligent scum would have known to choose a different target. Snowy, steve or even ezio would have worked without RHK being able to counter it. Either that or they planned the claim, but didn't think the scans through completely. My gut says this was mostly just yav doing his own thing though.
thamrick
Night-3 04:29
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I think it's very possible that scum coordinated what roles they were going to claim in case they were under pressure and that they didn't discuss specifics (who they investigated/watched/saved), especially since they would have only had 1 nights worth of info regarding who potentially was investigated/watched/saved by real town PRs.

It's possible that Yavuz just didn't pay close attention to his scum buddy RHK's claim details and just picked an obvious candidate to have investigated who couldn't contradict his claim, and RHK jumped at the opportunity to make himself look better.

It's also possible that RHK's claim is entirely true and that Yavuz just didn't think his fake claim through.

It's also possible that RHK knew that he couldn't walk back on the specifics of his claim and didn't know that Yavuz was fake claiming (because Yavuz is town and RHK would have known he could have been cop) so he rode it out.

Regardless, I don't think we should lynch RHK until there's clear evidence he isn't Watcher. But I don't think we should treat him as townclear either.
DemonRHK
Night-3 04:26
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I'm not really saying much because there isn't much to say. Yavu needs to flip. Me piling on the fact that he's lied, gotten town killed, and could have potentially gotten the real cop exposed speaks for itself. If I'd continued to jump up and down and proclaimed how much I was right doesn't help us. Shit, most of you likely still think I'm fake claiming. I know there is no way I'm getting a watch off tonight. I also think I'm unlikely to die, because so many people doubt me. I just think it's funny being the only real claim out of 4(!!), but catching the most heat for it.

Shit, just making this post is going to make people more sus of me for 'hedging a Yavu flip'. I'm convinced that no townie in the world makes a play that dumb. And I've thrown in LYLO.
thamrick
Night-3 04:22
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I'm not suspicious of you for not making more cases against Yav. I agree. It speaks for itself.

I'm suspicious of you for not attempting to help find the remaining scum. If Yav flips scum, there are still 2 more. Further your win condition. Especially if it's possible this is your last chance. You better write up EoN reads at the very least RHK.

Or at least leave me a good song containing your reads. I'll miss that when you're gone :( Foxy's just aren't as good, no offense Foxy.
DemonRHK
Night-3 04:10
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I'm still 100% there was scum in Jamie's townreads. My lead suspects in that pool are you and rd, but I can't deny that Mean is a possibility (Still mostly a gut feeling).

Whoever gets the gun should flip Yavu as soon as possible imo.

Should by some unholy works Yavu flips town, then the gun doesn't clear or incriminate. I think Meme is the best lynch then, barring the chance I get info watching. Anyone on the ND wagon from yesterday, especially if they hedged the cop claim, should be looked at.

Yavu flipping scum puts me on rd for the lynch and townclears the shooter (unless scum shooting each other doesn't count as counter to their wincon anymore)

Many of the points I want to make, I want to wait on. I know it's shitty, but I think it's best.
thamrick
Night-3 04:01
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No that's fine. I'm building my EoN case now too.

I'm sure scum shooting scum isn't counter to win-con just like voting for scum as scum isn't. I don't think shooting Yav townclears anyone.
Foxcastle
Night-3 03:55
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After Yavuz's cop claim, ND was always the lead wagon, and the closest Yavuz's wagon comes is near the end, when they are briefly tied. Presuming that scum know that they want ND lynched (and the only question is whether they know Yavuz is scum and wanted town cred for bussing him), then here's some thoughts...

Early on, when ND is at 3 and Yavuz is at 1, Bo_sox jumps on Yavuz (with DemonRHK) to put him one down from ND. While this may point to town, it's early enough on that scum would know that there's a lot that could happen yet.

After that, rdrivera, reedeer, and myself jump on ND, putting him way ahead. Could be scum in there.

Tom, ND, Balki, and Vash build up the ND wagon. Could be scum in there bussing early, if Yavuz is also scum; if Yavuz is town, these are more likely to be town votes.

Mean votes Yavuz at 41 minutes out, tying Yavuz and ND at 7 votes each. That points to town, as I think it's unlikely that scum would want to risk their chance at getting town to lynch two of their own or risk lynching scum Yavuz.

Balki, though, switches votes from Yav to ND. Scummy, or just an unlucky change of heart by Balki? Captainmeme follows with an ND vote that puts ND out of reach of a tie.

So Mean looks best there. Without knowing Yavuz's alignment, look for scum in Rdrivera, reedeer, Balki, Captainmeme, and myself.
bo_sox48
Night-3 03:53
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I'm not gonna be here for EON or much at all until Tuesday. The scumteam is some combination of yav, rdrivera, Vash, captainmeme, and maybe Balki or MLQ but I tend to think their back and forth is two tunneling townies. I'll build up some digestable info and maybe a case when I have time.

And yes, I know that that is more than three. I value the opinion that we can't scumread more people than there are scum players but the game isn't all that compliant to people who get stuck on one train.
rdrivera2005
Night-3 03:27
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Today I will not have time to build a full reads, and I am not sure if I will be around at EON. I don't think I am a NK target, but just in case will share some thoughts.

First, I don't think we can read much from D3. To me, voting ND was the right thing to do either as town or scum (town don't lynch a Cop claim and scum will want to lynch a town ND before Yav). I also don't read much on people voting Yav (except Demon, who I now believe is the Watcher), as scum knowing ND will flip town would want to avoid his wagon if possible.

Yav need to be shot, first thing of the day so town have time to discuss.

My top scumreads now are Reedeer, that keep hiding and Mean. I believe Yav is scum, but if for some reason we need to find a third, it might be bo, he seems a lot out of character yesterday
thamrick
Night-3 03:24
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I would argue that we shouldn't shoot Yav FIRST THING. I'd like to hear rb claims and get a chance for Yav to mount a final defense/reads on the chance he is actually town.
thamrick
Night-3 03:17
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@MLQ - more curiosity questions - where do you work?
yavuzovic
Night-3 03:11
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↑Balki Bartokomous: "@Yavuz, if you are town, please spend your time trying to figure out who is scum and give us your best thoughts before t..."
I will try something when I'm not busy and I will try to present the best choice before EoN. When I will be lynched, there will be a chance to lynch because a scums vote can be suspicious but you will be learnt that I'm town and you will think about my choice. I have some work and I will be here a few minutes later.
yavuzovic
Night-3 02:37
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@thamrick
What do you think about Foxcastle?
I will tell why got I suspicious about him after you tell me your opinion.
bozotheclown
Night-3 02:14
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I think yavuzovic could very well be VT. As Foxcastle pointed out, what he did was similar to shooting Ezio last game. Also, with ND flipping VT, his fake claim makes no more sense as scum than it does for town. However, there is no telling what yavuzovic might do as scum.

I have not seen anything yet to change my opinion that Vashta, reedeer, and MLQ are also reasonable scum candidates.
yavuzovic
Night-3 02:09
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@thamrick
You look online. But you're not replying me.
thamrick
Night-3 02:05
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@Yavuzovic - I've been deep in reread mode.

I'm somewhat suspicious of Foxcastle. I thought he was a pretty strong townread, but I think he has had some weird interactions today. I'm definitely going to watch him more carefully. I haven't found too much off in reread yet, but check my EoN post.

Why are you suspicious?
yavuzovic
Night-3 01:53
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I don't know but something feels wrong with him.
I really investigated him but he did nothing suspicious.
I will look to Demon now.
thamrick
Night-3 01:49
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Well that was... informative Yav... thanks.
↑yavuzovic: "@thamrick
I didn't investigate anyone but Mean, I don't know what are you talking about.
@Tom Bombadil
You will see why ..."
Are you sad your perfect record is ruined? It had to happen eventually since you rolled scum.

Looking forward to that Demon investigation. Hope it's as riveting as your Mean and Foxy ones were.
Foxcastle
Night-3 01:43
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I won't be around for EON, but my reads haven't changed that much.

DemonRHK - Still scum.

Bozo - Still null.

Rdrivera - Still lean town. Maybe just a little less.

Balki - Downgraded from Slight Scum to Lean Scum. His vote record was iffy to begin with, and is worse now after D3. And I'm not sure I see anything in N2-D3 that really makes me think he's town.

Reedeer - Still slight town.

Vashta - Still lean town.

Tom - I could still go either way on Tom.

Tham - Still feels scummy to me, but I admit I don't have a real strong case on that.

Bo_sox - Upgraded to lean town. He pushed Yavuz hard on D3, which I think was counter to scumteam's best interests.

Mean - I was townreading Mean, and am still townreading Mean, more strongly, even. I don't think scum would have pushed Yavuz at the last minute over ND like she did at the end of D3.

Captainmeme - I appreciate that his meta seems to be "lurk until the end, and then win whether he's scum or town", but... that's not actually helpful, and yeah, I'd lynch/shoot him.
yavuzovic
Night-3 01:41
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↑DemonRHK: "Whoever gets the gun should flip Yavu as soon as possible imo."
If I'm scum (what a read!) he must be another scum who wants to shut me up.
If I'm really town (I must start to play with all of my brain — nobody call theirselves as these) he is doing wrong if he still wants that. He may hide his scumrole with this message.
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yavuzovic
Night-3 01:40
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I did this scumread for suspect things. I still read RHK as town.
yavuzovic
Night-3 01:36
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↑thamrick: "Well that was... informative Yav... thanks.
Are you sad your perfect record is ruined? It had to happen eventually s..."
Ah, you know, I slept early that night. I couldn't sleep for a long while. I'm so regretted and sorry. Yeah, I will can't use this because I am not trustable anymore.
thamrick
Night-3 01:33
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↑yavuzovic: "I did this scumread for suspect things. I still read RHK as town."
... what? If you have a townread on him, why bother investigating?

Who are your top 3 scumreads? Don't think. Just tell me 3 names.
thamrick
Night-3 01:29
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You're thinking too much. You clearly haven't been rereading the thread or there would be more meat to your "investigations"
yavuzovic
Night-3 01:00
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I'm sorry thamrick,
You're really working for this game but I'm shitplaying
↑thamrick: "... what? If you have a townread on him, why bother investigating?

Who are your top 3 scumreads? Don't think. Just tel..."
I just told suspect things.
And I hate lurkers:
captainmeme
Barely posts, and looks they're trying to not seem as lurker:
bozotheclown
Vashta
MeanLaQueefa
Night-3 00:43
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Yav, what do you think about reedeer? He has the same number of posts as bozo and far fewer than vash. Why doesn't he make your scum reads?
reedeer1
Night-3 00:35
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I was sick for a week with the flu. I was more active before, and more active now as well.
MeanLaQueefa
Night-3 00:32
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It helps town when you don't help someone who is likely scum and giving reads excuses for their actions before they can respond reedeer
reedeer1
Night-3 00:20
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I am interested in his response as well, but I thought that would be a good time to remind you that Im trying not to lurk this game.
Maniac
Night-3 00:10
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Firstly a few confessions:

1/. I was visited N2 by our lovely nurse. I thought it would be beneficial to keep scum guessing. At this point that doesn’t matter now, but my confession adds to town’s knowledge as Thamrick’s RB claim means it must have been scum RBing him (if he is to be believed). Personally, I think it is a genuine claim, certainly good enough to keep him from being a prime suspect D4.

2/. My second confession is that I never had a gun. It seemed so obvious to give me one that I thought I’d just wave one around anyway. That didn’t work out too well as I seemed to have exposed our watcher. Sorry DemonRHK. I thought I’d carry on the pretence to apply some pressure and also confuse scum a little. Then came the Ezio kill, which confused me a little. Why would town not shoot someone on my list? But then I thought I’m too arrogant. I know no more than any other towny. I’m convinced it was a town shot. Scum would’ve taken out someone on my list, and GS would have accepted that the shooter was at least trying to hit scum.

3/. After Ezio was killed I was going to confess to not having a gun, but stayed silent too long and later on thought it best to continue to let scum think they are two guns in play. If yavuz is scum they have to send someone else out to do their killing in case they think yavuz gets shot before nightfall.
Anyhow, sorry if I’ve misled town too much in my attempt to confuse scum.

So on to some reads…

Balki Bartokomous – lynched Jamie D1, Claimed RB N1, Voted vash D2.
Balki was a contender on D1 and switched with 5 mins to go from Scum Jamie to Town ND. After Jamie’s wagon was all but certain Balki joined it in the last minute. Balki can take no credit for Jamie’s lynch and if anything his actions look suspect. I’m not giving him any credit at all for his N1 roleblock claim as that is more likely to be the nurse (although I can’t think why).
Balki’s D2 isn’t impressive. He was the 4th person onto Town Ezio making him a joint contender. His Vash vote screams getting an apology in before the flip and laying the blame on Snowy. (Assuming Vash flips town).
Balki “Let's flip Vashta. {}{}Vote Vashta. Snowy would want it that way.

I don't know, I feel a little gross about this. I don't like our lynchpool. But Vashta has done nothing, he may be scum, and he's not helping us if we're town.”
D3 can’t really be analysed at all yet until we get more info, but even then it is unlikely to reveal much.
I think Balki could be Scum.

bo_sox48 – Voted Town Brainbomb D1 and Town ND D2. It’s often said that if Bo_sox is alive D3 he must be scum as he is often fear killed by mafia. I have to say I’ve agreed with most of what Bo_sox has said this game. I’m not sure he’ll welcome me agreeing with him, but there we are. His thoughts seem independent, he isn’t lazy and is trying to solve the puzzle. Town.

Bozotheclown – Voted Town ND on D1 and Vash D2. Bozo is still slight scum to me and that concerns me as he is flying beneath the radar a bit. Scum can often be anonymous and unconfrontational. Slight scum.

CAPTdargorygel – Lurker in chief. Voted Yavuz d1 and Town Ezio d2. Needs to contribute but can win a game for town if he gets to the end game.

DemonRHK – I think he is our watcher, sorry for the pressure that got you exposed. I was surprised by how quickly you buckled. You went from ‘thank god none of our PRs are exposed’ to ‘I’m the watcher’ in less than a minute.

Foxcastle – Impressive. Solid town.

MeanLaQueefa – Voted Balki d1, Vash D2. I’m not too concerned by MLQ so far. I kind of think someone who posts so much will be tripped up if she’s scum. I note that she was the top candidate before the Yavuz fiasco. I could be persuaded she is scum if people made a clear case. Null for now.

rdrivera2005 – lynched two scum and makes good points. Assume town for now but don’t give him too much credit for early lynches if he is still around at the end game. He could well be scum sleeper.

reedeer1 – lynched Jamie d1, voted Ezio D2. I think reedeer1 needs to step his game up. He and bozo will be people I look at very closely if I survive tonight.

Thamrick – poor voting record. Did he fakeclaim N2 RB because he has no voting cred? I’m willing to give him benefit of the doubt as say his claim is genuine and therefore he is town.

Tom Bombadil – I can’t see his retracted COP claim being anything other than fake. He doesn’t concern me too much at the moment.

VashtaNeurotic – good voting record and was the counter wagon to RJ. I think Town.

Yavuzovic – I still think over eager town. I think MLQ received advice about not lynching stupid people; probably sound advice. I can’t see scum motivation for doing what he did. One thing I would say is that if it was planned at N2 then Brainbomb would have been a good one to fake scan and he wouldn’t have known DemonRHK would be able to disprove him and he missed that bit of info. Town.

I think we are in danger of thinking we can auto-win with our PRs. This game can change so quickly. If scum hit a PR and Yavuz flips town the game gets tighter. Let’s all work a bit harder to build on our good start. Town was crushing the last game but still lost.

TL:DR
​ Scum: Balki and poss bozo & reedeer1
MLQ, Thamrick need a closer look later. Don’t forget about Tom and Rdrivera either one could go deep.
thamrick
Night-3 00:08
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Sorry in advance for such a long post. These are just a bunch of posts that I find suspect and deserve a second look. Feel free to disregard until D4.
↑yavuzovic: "I don't request gun, because I fear I'd shoot wrong person."
Seems weird for the Cop to not want a gun. You'd be more informed than pretty much every other townsperson.
↑yavuzovic: "I have no scumread but Rjmcf seems really town."
No scumreads... Rj really town...
↑rdrivera2005: "@ND - Yav was exactly like this last game, he was so weird D1 that scum choose to drive a gun to him and he shooted a to..."
Just gonna leave this here in case Yav flips scum...
↑DemonRHK: "Thoughts catching up from where I went to sleep:

Rj finally puts some explanation behind his read on Mean, while not go..."
Another one for a possible Yav scum flip.
↑MeanLaQueefa: "Ok, I can respect that ND vote, brain. I hope RHK doesn't go down for it though, if balki is bad, I think that most like..."
Why would someone hope another player doesn't go down for something unless they know the other person's alignment.
↑MeanLaQueefa: "ND please tell me what comment I made that was dumb and why you now want to lynch me for it. Please... :-D"
Which led to...
↑Rjmcf: "ND is super suspicious and I’m super busy. Sorry I can’t really contribute at end of day, that BAME is much more literal..."
Following his townleader's lead.
↑Jamiet99uk: "I read Rdrivera, MeanlaQueeffa, DemonRHK, you and perhaps Brainbomb as Town.

I lean scum on Ezio, Balki, Rjcm, and ND.
..."
​ Pretty confident Jamiet put a scum in his townreads. He had rj in his scum leans. Don't know about suspicions, but maybe Bozo is worth keeping an eye on.
↑Jamiet99uk: "## Vote Balki."
When Jamiet voted Balki, it put it ND 5, Balki 5, Jamiet 4. Maybe Jamiet was just trying to create 2 viable alternative wagons to himself, but it's still a weird vote knowing ND was town.
↑DemonRHK: "What am I doing brain, other than trying to find scum?"
RHK says that like he knows there's a scum on that list...


I think RHK crumbed several roles in case he needed to fake claim.
↑DemonRHK: "BB - As I've pointed out before, Jamie and BB have an interesting and noticable dynamic. Brain is the loose cannon, whil..."

Too long to directly quote but I'll http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/posting.php?mode=quote&f=4&p=3720 (LINK IT).
This is a weird post from RJ. BB was super tunneled onto Tom. Rj was expressing hesitance to join BB on the wagon. Knowing BB was town and Rj was scum, it's weird that Rj would defend Tom with so little conviction, but then end up voting for Tom and only Tom on D2. I... don't know what to make of it.

BB responds by saying he'd join Rj in a lynch of Bo or of Foxy if Rj would consider the case against Tom. BB makes some more points and Rj piles onto Tom. Was Rj protecting Bo or Foxy? Why was he so opposed to joining BB on the Tom wagon at first. Literally 3 posts after his Tom vote (12 mins), he lists Bo in his scumreads (not Foxy), but didn't jump at the opportunity to join BB on Bo. If you read the scumreads:
↑Rjmcf: "Scumreads:

Ezio: Lurking, voting with little to no reasoning, one word posts. Not a damaging scum in the sense that the..."
He has Bo as MORE SCUMMY than Tom. Who he voted for all of D2 even though Brain was willing to lynch Bo. I could be reading into them too, but to me, his read of Bo is the only one that comes across as authentic. Ezio is just a lurker scumread (and obviously wrong), Bo wasn't defensive D2. He was being stubborn and demeaning in most of his posts, his gut feeling of ND was wrong, I'm betting Vash is town based on the similarity to Rj's ND read, and then he lists me. I'm betting he stashed a scum on that list, and to me it looks like Bo is most likely.

↑MeanLaQueefa: "I am exhausted from working extra hours because a ton of people are sick. Just got done reading the Interesting develop..."
Possibly another mafia breadcrumb. Or a real breadcrumb. Or just truth. It is flu season after all...

Also weird that MLQ specifically addresses all of RJ's scumreads except for Bo and me.
↑Balki Bartokomous: "Let's flip Vashta.

##Vote Vashta

Snowy would want it that way.

I don't know, I feel a little gross about this. I don'..."
I tend to ignore EoD voting comments as people usually just say weird things (like seriously, look at BB's comments about the Rj lynch). However, this one struck a chord for me then and still does.
↑bozotheclown: "@rdrivera: It is a little early to say my voting record is the worst, unless you know for sure that ND and Vashta are no..."
This was actually a really good point.
↑DemonRHK: "Good point. Tom, did you get rb'd anyway?"
RHK says he watched Tom N2. Shouldn't he have known Tom had no visitors?
↑DemonRHK: "So tham and someone else were rb'd. No idea on a gun. Thankfully, no PRs in the open, but that means we have no hard inf..."
This was immediately after my RB claim. Seems weird for him to immediately cast doubt on it. He also knew that there was another RB. How would he KNOW that unless he knew that mafia had used a RB.
↑ND: "I think one of Bo or Yav have to be scum imo.

RHK makes sense except for the claim. Wouldn't vote to lynch today unles..."
Maybe this is why Yav claimed ND was scum. All of Yav's posts prior to this pointed to him saying ND was a slight scumread.
↑MeanLaQueefa: "bo_sox48 – Slight Town. I’ve liked his logic a lot more lately, he’s been actually trying to solve things after his D1. ..."
I think this is what they call a hedge...
↑Balki Bartokomous: "I don't think it helps us to hear his other scan right now. He will almost certainly survive the night, as we have Watch..."
Two things - I didn't feel the authenticity in MLQ's disappointment at Yav's claim. And Balki's comment really makes no sense to me. Why wouldn't we want Yav's other scan to either verify Yav's claims or get another strong softclear.
↑MeanLaQueefa: "Tham, I guess you can turn my read of yav up to town. I'm in favor of a bozo or tom lynch. ND should probably be shot."
I find it interesting that MLQ's next post was this:
↑MeanLaQueefa: "I've only been able to read on a 10 minute break from work, so I may have missed some things cause I couldn't read every..."
MLQ's progression on D3 about how she views claims is strange at best.
↑bo_sox48: "##VOTE yavuzovic

Considering that yav has proven his utter and total uselessness in a couple of games straight now, it ..."
This whole post by Bo and his reasoning for not wanting to kill ND is suspicious to me. Bo didn't consider the possibility that Yav is town (can't fault Bo there. Yav would be dumb to fakeclaim cop as town like this) or acknowledge the possibility that Yav was scum who just didn't get his story straight and also scum RHK used it as an opportunity to make himself look good.

Even ND's initial reaction was to kill himself and he knew he was VT.
MeanLaQueefa
Night-3 00:03
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demonRHK: Town. I see him as town clear at this point, untouchable. Even if someone CCed him, I’d lean toward lynching the CC. Coming forward to counter yav is a plainly towny thing to do, regardless of yav’s alignment.

foxcastle: Town. I hard town read fox, his arguments are all well based in towny logic, he pushed rjm about being “newbie scum.” He was also one of the earlier votes on rjm and I don’t think scum would buss the witch of all people. He’s the person I’d be most surprised to flip scum who isn’t in anyway clear.

bozotheclown: Scum. Bozo’s been on the wrong side of history every time, always taking the town wagon when scum is the other (we don’t know about vash yet for D2 though). Day 1 he was one of the hold overs who stayed on the ND wagon after jamie’s scum slip, along with rjm (also fox and tham voted against ND day 1), and since we now know ND is town, this looks much worse for bozo. On day 2, he voted vash all day, then right when vash was about to become a wagon he switched to tom and switched back within a minute. This could be done by a town, but we know the other wagon, rjm, was scum and bozo always seemed to take the opposite wagon of scum. It is also worth noting that even if tom or vash were scum too, bozo still placed his vote to save the witch. I think this leans scummy. Day 3 he was on ND again, which makes sense for scum because yav is almost certainly scum.

rdrivera2005: town. Still getting pretty strong towny vibes from rdrivera, his vote for ND is concerning, but his explanation for voting it makes sense for a towny and he’s sticking by it after the lynch. Pretty much every post he does has me going “this dude is town,” seriously, people have been scum reading him for days, I don’t get it, I haven’t seen one decent argument. He was an early vote on Jamie, and later but important vote on rjm, and today he looks slightly scummy for the first time for voting ND, but so does at least over half of town. I also think the ND wagon isn’t that scum indicative, because townies who want to play it safe and not lynch a claimed PR would gravitate towards it.

yavuzovic: Scum. I really don’t get how he could be anything else unless he is truly an idiotic individual, or just felt bad for the scum team and wanted to help them.

balki bartokomous: Null. I was feeling more towny towards him, however, the last-minute switch to ND was weird. Honestly, I don’t feel like there’s a whole lot to go off on balki despite being as active as he is, which gives me pause because all the other players who have been as active as he’s been have much more clear reads to me. I’ve gone 180 and back again on him this game, and I’m not sure how to peg him overall right now.

reedeer1: Scum. I really didn’t like the way he voted ND:
“I think ND is correct. We lynch or shoot him today, and use that information tomorrow. We need to stop pulling PR's out, real or fake PR's we seem to be as a group pulling VT claims, and PR claims, something we cant afford.

@@Vote ND

I would hammer, but we might learn some by talking more. Especially the part where the stalker finds out that ND is miller, to try to clear scum Yuav, so waiting on the GM to respond to that.”

This post seems constructed specifically to avoid giving reasons behind wanting to lynch ND. This seems very forced town to me, just saying generalities. There is also a good deal of hypocrisy in saying to stop fake or real claiming and then turning to lynch the only person on the table at that point who followed that advice. He voted Jamie on day one, but his vote there was just as sketchy as his vote for ND:

“Now I am thinking of the three top wagons, I do not like any of them, but of them I have strong town voting for jamit, so @@Vote jamit
(edit) Now I have a scum voting jamit..., but still best.”

This was as everyone was flooding onto Jamie. So he’s voting Jamie because people he thinks town are (doesn’t name them) and then he updates it to say that now scum are voting Jamie (doesn’t name them) but still proclaims it the best choice. This dude seems to be doing everything he can to not back up his votes with reasons. On D2 he said he was sick and just parked on Ezio all day. I want a wagon on reedeer to at least get him talking and giving reasons for what he thinks in this game, he’s skated by far too long without pressure. I’d really like to see bozo and reedeer wagons tomorrow, because what they’ve done is sufficiently scummy but neither has received any sort of pressure all game.

VashtaNeurotic: Slight Town. Another person I’ve gone back and forth on. I think his vote for yav today favors town slightly, but there’s a few sketchy things I’ve brought up about him in the past too. I’d rather not lynch him tomorrow though.

Tom Bombadil: Slight Scum. I still have some problems with his claiming cop last night, but his vote on yav and his consistently good voting record are pushing me away from wanting to lynch him tomorrow. His biggest town credit was voting rjm early on in the day, and witch is a hell of a bus if tom is scum. However, tom was also the top wagon when voted rjm, so it could have been him trying to distance himself from rjm, before rjm’s wagon took off. His actual posting still has me getting a scummy vibe from him and he isn’t being as helpful as people seem to think he is

Maniac: Town Jesus.

dargorygel/Catainmeme: Slight Scum. Low participation, very hard to read. Leaning scum from dargoygel left over bad feels. Meme’s been largely detached and uninvolved, but the last minute vote for ND rings scummy to me, but again, not an optimal lynch for tomorrow.

thamrick – town. I see his vote on ND as a towny move because of his explanation. He seemed very concerned that we were potentially going to lynch a PR if we voted for yav, so I understand his reasoning and it pushes him more in the town direction for me. Plus I had him pegged for town before because his arguments consistently seem to come from a town perspective. He’s also made a few mistakes in logic I wouldn’t expect from a mafia player.

bo_sox48 – Town. I really see his push on yav as a town sealing moment. Unless yav flips town, which means bo could have seen his error as a moment to gain a lot of towncred. Or maybe if the scum team just agreed to collectively throw away yav, but in any case, I think we need to not lynch bo for a couple days.
thamrick
Night-3 00:03
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I'm shocked there are so few people online here for EoN. I maintain that it's an unfortunate symptom of the Super Bowl. Brits just don't understand... ;)
thamrick
Night-3 00:02
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If I die tonight, look at the start of D3 interactions. Look at the Bo/RJ interactions at the start of D2 and the RJ reads quoted above. Don't blindly believe either RHK or Yavuz. I think both of them could still be scum.

Balki Bartokomous - My heart says town but my mind says caution. There are just some oddities that don't make much sense with Balki.

bo_sox48 - Beyond the potentially exposed scum, I have the most ominous feeling about Bo. He's playing very similar to how I remember him playing as scum when he won M20.

bozotheclown - I feel pretty good about Bozo. Hasn't contributed much, but I get geniune good vibes.

captainmeme - No effing clue. Seems to be an easy lynch target that several are pushing. Darg had some strange interactions but nothing that was damning imo.

DemonRHK - I still cant wrap my head around claiming so easily and I still believe it was just a fishing claim. Not a super threat, but a potential lynch/shot candidate based on what we discover from EoN actions.

Foxcastle - strong town. I lied to Yav. This could go out the window if some of my suppositions turn out to be false. But I'm fairly convinced Foxy is town.

Maniac - Duh. Even if I don't necessarily agree with his handling of certain info (gun ownership, etc.), he hasn't led us astray yet, so deliver me Town Jesus.

MeanLaQueefa - still suspicious due to the RJ links, Jamiet defending, but those suspicions have been lessening a little lately. Still think she's likely scum, but could be exonerated by POE.

rdrivera2005 - relatively strong town read, but of the ones who have contributed a sizeable amount, he's probably my 5th or so scumlean at this point so take it for what it's worth. If I die, look at his interaction with me at the start of the day.

reedeer1 - who knows? Shouldn't have skipped his flu shot I guess. Hopefully he contributes a little more, but there's a lot of weird reedeer protection from known scum and scum suspects.

Tom Bombadil - potentially my top townread besides Maniac. Disagree nearly 100% with MLQ that his fake claim was anti-town.

VashtaNeurotic - POE town. But again, who knows?

yavuzovic - probably scum. Lied about Cop. Can't see a good town motivation for it. Desperate scum play or in contention for worst town play ever.


I definitely think we kill Yav tomorrow (via gun or lynch, tbd). Either way I don't think it clears RHK. We definitely should hear what RHK claims happened at night but be prepared for a fake RB claim.

I'm not super worried about dealing with the RHK uncertainty immediately as if we catch 2 other scum, real Watcher can reveal then it's a gunshot and lynch to a win.

I worry that scum have a deep threat laying very low and that a lot of my scumreads are town. But I think we're in good shape regardless of how this goes down. Don't drop your guard though!
DemonRHK
Night-3 00:01
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Night 3: Reads (As of EoN -3)
11-3 before EoN

DISCLAIMER: Most people left in the game feel scummy. You are going to see a fuckton of hedgey reads becuase of it.

Foxcastle - Null to Slight Scum - (SEE DISCLAIMER 2) Fox didn't repond to my aggression as expected. He's either very cool town or calculated scum. Hedged the Yavu wagon pretty hard. Point for musical artistry.

bozotheclown - Null to Slight Scum - One major note: After Vash nearly dies as the counterwagon to scum, HE VOTES VASH AGAIN. Bozo is lurky and borderline tunneled.

rdrivera2005 - Moderate Scum - I've been on this read for days. Day 3 he took the 'holier than thou' route against me, Voted with Yavu on ND but hedged against the claim in the same post.

yavuzovic - Hard Scum - Fake cop claim, gets VT killed, nearly gets me killed, and could have exposed the real cop. Yavu as scum means D1 makes a ton more sense.

Balki Bartokomous - Slight Town OR Slight Scum - Balki's alignment in my eyes fully depends on the Yavu flip. Scum Yavu leads me to believe Balki is scum, and his heat and arguement D1 with Jamie was real frustration over the less experienced scumteam's actions. If Yavu would flip town, I feel more town on Balki, but just barely. Deeply connected to Mean

reedeer1 - Null - reedeer is lurking super hard. Amazingly, never brought up his sickness D3...

VashtaNeurotic - Moderate Town - I don't see D2 as 2 scum wagons. Has done fuck all otherwise though.

Tom Bombadil - Null - Tom almost completely avoided the Yavu issue. Is 100% on board with Yavu claim...then votes him.

Maniac - Conf Town - Please, please tell me that wasn't your shot at Ezio.

captainmeme - Slight Scum - lurking, and worse yet, apathetic. Doesn't care what happens. The golden standard of useless, regardless of alignment.

thamrick - Null to Slight Town - (SEE DISCLAIMER 2) tham has taken the torch from brain in terms of posting. The biggest red flag comes from him asking what I thought about the Yavu claim. If he is scum, knowing that ND wasn't, he could be trying to verify my and Yavu's claims for the rest of his team.

bo_sox48 - Slight Town - bo came in with a lot of analysis D3, the only thing I didn't like was his post calling ND clear cut scan lynch, but voting yavu.

MeanLaQueefa - Null - Something doesn't sit right about Mean. I honestly have no real reason other than the Balki tunnel, but something in my gut just feels off.

DISCLAIMER 2: Fox and tham come across almost indentical in a reread, but tham buddied up to me while Fox was much more lukewarm to me. This could very well skew these two reads.

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I'm going to put out some things I think have happened for better or worse in case I die:

-ON GUNS: I am currently of the opinion Maniac shot Ezio, and that the gun from N1 was lost on snowy or held. This may be disproved if Maniac shoots Yavu tonight.

-ON ROLEBLOCKS: This is safe to mention now. I really need Maniac to confirm this one; I think Maniac was protected N2 and didn't claim it to wine scum. If he was it improves tham's read somewhat (Held by scum to be claimed is still possible)

-ON NUMBERS: We will come out of N3 one of three ways:

10-3: NK, no shot: Expected, nothing changes.

9-3: NK, Town Yavu shot: #YavuIsTheWorst memes begin, short of myself or another PR getting a gun with a conf scumread, there needs to be discussion over a shot, then the shot taken with NO LESS than 24 hours remaining.

10-2: NK, Scum Yavu shot: Happy dance, then as above.

Successful Save: This would suggest scum targeted me or Maniac, or a clutch save elsewhere. Should this occur, it would need to be addressed at that time (which I'd be alive to parse thankfully)

-ON LINKS: Balki/Mean are mutually exclusive scum (So one can be, but both is EXTREMELY unlikely). I feel another set is tham/Fox

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IN CLOSING:
I claimed way too fucking early in retrospect. But when the townclear with a gun is asking about you and only you, panic sets in. My suspected scum are:

rd
Balki or Mean
(If Yavu flips town one of tham, fox, or meme)

[Cue Music]

On a dark internet highway, looking for a scum lair~
Bullshit wafts through a forum, stinking up the air~
Up ahead in the topic, I saw impending first light~
My mind grew weary and my outlook grew dim~
I may not survive this night~

There she stood hedging her reads~
Again Balki trying to sell~
And I was thinking to myself~
This has got to be a fucking scumtell~
Then the hooker came, couldn't get away~
I heard her scumbuddies from the distance~
I thought I heard them say~

Welcome to the Hotel 'Wine in front of You'~
Such a shitty place (Such a shitty place)~
Such a shitty case~
Gonna try to mislynch, just on 'Wine in front of You'~
Every doubt we create, just seals your fate~

Her mind is tunnel focused, everyone a means for her ends~
She got a lot of townreads, that make no goddamn sense~
How they dance in the QT, 'We'll win this yet'~
Town tries to remember, but all the tells they forget~

So I called up the GMs~
'Please save me from the Wine'~
They said, 'Can't since the ruling back in M29'~
And still the doubts are coming from lurks all day~
Gotta defend myelf through the night~
Just to hear them say~

Welcome to the Hotel 'Wine in front of You'~
Such a shitty place (Such a shitty place)~
Such a shitty case~
Gonna try to mislynch, just on 'Wine in front of You'~
Every doubt we create, just seals your fate~

Hedge read from EoN~
Scum put another town on ice~
They say 'let the fakeclaim live, it won't fool us twice'~
And in the game topic~
They gather for the vote~
They spread over a dozen wagons~
But still I'm the scapegoat~

Last thing I remember~
I was pleading a well found case~
I had to convince the players~
Before they shot me in the face~
'Relax' said the scumbag~
'You'll get yours soon'~
'You can finger all of us'~
'But you'll just end up a dead toon!'~
Balki Bartokomous
Night-3 00:01
page 117
Running around with the little Balks today, so I only really have time to share my general thoughts.

Scum:
Alm​ost certainly Yavuz. I've never played with Yavuz, so I'm treating him in my mind like a general relatively inexperienced player. I find it very unlikely that such a player faked a cop scan to try to lynch a scum read. I've seen that done only once, and that was by someone with a lot of experience and quite a lot of confidence in his reads (HR). I think Yavuz's play was less about killing ND and more about a Hail Mary attempt to sacrifice scum who was already in danger in order to try to out the Cop. We should flip Yavuz next.

MLQ. I've been over this ground a lot. Nothing has happened to change my read. I think the most fertile ground to find scum is from subtle attempts to discredit wagons that flipped scum on D1 and D2. That's where is read originated and it's only grown from there. I also think MLQ has reacted to being in our crosshairs the way scum would react. My general impression of MLQ is that she is a very good player. Probably very good as either alignment. I expect a very good town player, when under fire, to dig in and game solve. The tendency I've seen in MLQ is the opposite. She seems less engaged and less game solvey since the RJ flip, which implicated her.

Bo_Sox. I'm beginning to get the heebeegeebies from Bo_Sox. And I went back and looked at the interaction between Bo_Sox and RJ and it is indeed suspicious. Bo_Sox doesn't treat anyone with kid gloves, but he was very gentle with RJ. Could be a fatherly site admin trying to be welcoming to a new player, but I sensed a bit of "sweeping under the rug" going on at the same time. I'd like to see Bo_Sox flip.

captainmeme​. Running out of time, but not much to say about our captain anyway. He's not here. Dang was scummy. This is where I'd look if our scum team isn't above.

Too late...town reads DemonRHK, Reedeer, Tom
Day 4 : g=34&part=p113-117
RagingIke297
Day-4 48:00
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Phase has ended, please hold
RagingIke297
Day-4 47:57
page 117
The members of toon town awake, everyone begins looking for the typical goo pile of another dead toon, but there is no pile of goo.

No One Has Died

Day 4 begins
thamrick
Day-4 47:56
page 117
LETS GO!!!!
MeanLaQueefa
Day-4 47:56
page 117
Looks like the nurse isn't taking the day off for the superbowl!