M34, p81-85

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yavuzovic
Night-2 10:00
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*suspicions
Maniac
Night-2 09:21
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@Nurse and Watcher and Gunsmith - feel free to disregard this suggestion.

It's pointless both Nurse and Watcher visiting me on the same night.

I think nurse should visit me tonight, if they roleblock nurse and kill me then so be it. Watcher may want to watch if you think that scenerio is likely. I'm not super interested in receiving a gun, but will if you don't have another strong townread to hand it to.

Watcher should watch me N3 as the nurse can't. Gunsmith may choose to hand me the gun to clear him/herself in the eyes of the watcher.

N4 - Nurse to save me again. Another gun if that's allowed and GS doesn't have a better option.

N5 - watcher to watch me again. Final gun (assuming you gave one out N1).

@Gunsmith - assuming you have gunned someone already. If that is in the hands of mafia then you'll know who they are if I die. If you gun someone other than me and i die, you won't know which gun shot me for sure. Keep guns to a small pool is my advice.

I think you're all well hidden and doing a good job, stay hidden and make up your own minds. Don't feel you have to take my advice.

@COP - don't scan me. Save that for Tom
reedeer1
Night-2 08:41
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Yay, 2 down. Im sorry I havn't been more active. The sickness is making it hard for me to formulate clear sentences.
Foxcastle
Night-2 08:20
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↑DemonRHK: "@Fox: I realized I had tunneled Rj, and took my foot off his throat. By the time Maniac added him onto the lynch list at..."
Are we saying "pretty hard"? I mean... is that really the thought here?
Because the extent of my "pretty hard" attack is...

Page 50: "2) something is seeming off about DRHK."

Page 56: "I'm trying to figure out RHK. Something seems off", at which point Brain asks me what the case is, and I put some vague points and snippets up that caught my attention about DemonRHK (including the laughable "Maniac’s vote of DemonRHK is authentic, at least.")

And then to wrap up my "pretty hard" attack, on page 57: "I'm arguing that I find it odd that Balki and RHK whined about lurkers, but didn't take an opportunity to apply pressure votes. Maybe RHK didn't want to be associated with Jamiet, is the point."

But yes, I do have some questions for you, DemonRHK.

1) About 2 hours out, you were voting for Bozo (a pressure vote that had been sitting there for some time). Bozo shows up and puts some arguments out there, and you decide that's good enough, and put your vote on Vash without much of an explanation. You'd barely said anything about Vash, mostly calling him out for lurking, but also going so far as to say he gets some leeway (page 40) and then null read him at end of Night 1(page 44). At that point, Ezio, ND, Tom, and Rjm were leading with 2 votes, and there were also votes on Brain, Balki, Bozo, and Mean.

So why did you vote for Vash?

2) The scum-narrative for your EoD is that you didn't want to lynch the witch, and that with Rjm a competitive wagon, you had to find others to vote for, but with so many competitive wagons, it was hard to pick one to push that you could be sure would save the witch. So 32 minutes out, with Ezio, Tom, and Rjm tied at 3, you vote for Tom to put him in the lead. When the Tom wagon collapses, you go back to Vash--my guess is scum would worry that pushing a leading wagon even farther ahead would be more suspicious than going back to a vote you already had on record. Vash comes up, so you sit there, but in the final minutes, Rjm overtakes him, and you didn't really have any options, so you stuck it out.

What's your counter-narrative as town?
bozotheclown
Night-2 08:06
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@Maniac: Are you asking what I was thinking during the last hour of D1? I was not available to be online for the last 2+ hours of D1.
Tom Bombadil
Night-2 07:46
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Who here has played with thamrick before? Is he a softie like me?

He looks shitty D2, especially since he didn't vote rj - who he scumread all of D1. That being said, if he is a softie like me, he might not be scum. Rj was a brand new player to mafia, so you have to be particularily harsh (and brave consider you don't know how he will react) to bus a brand new player D1. I would be very reluctant to bus someone who is new to mafia and drew scum their first game.
brainbomb
Night-2 07:42
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Maniac you cant be killed period.

Nurse has zero reason to visit you.

As long as watcher watches you and gunsmith guns you scum wiuld have to.1 for 1 sac themself just to kill u
thamrick
Night-2 07:37
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↑bo_sox48: "Meme was in your list on page 68 as well as Maniac's list on page 67. Maybe you didn't have strong feelings about him, b..."
I did. I'll post my quick notes I jotted on Darg reread.

-Weird entry to the game - 5 mins no posts?
-Don't give out gun
-Wants guns in endgame when we "know things"
-Votes Yav - Brain voted first, then Jamie, then RHK, brain off, Darg on
-Immediately after Darg vote, Jamiet moves to Vashta

Meme hadn't posted other than to let the bot know he was alive. I was waiting to hear his thoughts on joining. But no. I didn't have strong feelings about him other than following Jamiet onto the Yav vote D1 then Jamiet immediately jumping off.
Tom Bombadil
Night-2 07:31
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"@COP - don't scan me. Save that for Tom"

LOL
brainbomb
Night-2 07:26
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Thamrick was town neighbor in m19.
He was a 3rd party ghost in m20

Usually helpful to town. Never seen his scum meta
Maniac
Night-2 07:20
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↑brainbomb: "Maniac you cant be killed period.

Nurse has zero reason to visit you.

As long as watcher watches you and gunsmith gun..."
If nurse and watcher alternate then they can use their powers elsewhere if they want to. What I wanted to avoid is both thinking they need to visit in case the other one didn't.
Tom Bombadil
Night-2 07:17
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Nurse should visit Maniac because he's just vanilla townie, so the rb doesn't matter.

Watcher should watch someone who scares scum, like me.
brainbomb
Night-2 07:17
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##CALL GM when do guns expire?
thamrick
Night-2 07:10
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↑brainbomb: "Good odds he left a scumbuddy off his,reads."
I agree. Here are the 6 he left off the list:

Balki Bartokomous
bo_sox48
MeanLaQueefa
rdrivera2005
reedeer1
thamrick

rdrivera and reedeer are kinda obvious. Tough to get a read on people that aren't playing. Doesn't mean we shouldn't look into them. He had a read on Ezio, Steve, and Darg. Why not these 2?

Balki, MLQ, and myself are weird omissions. Particularly me. I'll have to go back and find where he first started scumreading me, but I know I eventually became one of his scumreads. I had pushed him D1, planted a vote on him for most of the day.

I'm willing to bet there's at least one scum in Balki/MLQ. RJ had had too many interactions with and about MLQ omit her and Balki.

Bo hasn't contributed much, but what he has contributed has been more content heavy. More so that a lot on the list.
thamrick
Night-2 07:09
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↑Tom Bombadil: "Watcher should watch someone who scares scum, like me."
Care to elaborate?
thamrick
Night-2 07:09
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@BB - why did you immediately follow me onto RJ D1 only to spend the rest of the day defending him?
Tom Bombadil
Night-2 07:01
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"Care to elaborate?"

I'm good at catching scum. I get NK'd alot. I've never been lynched in a mafia game.
Hellenic Riot
Night-2 07:01
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##GM Note: Guns do not expire.
Hellenic Riot
Night-2 07:00
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##GM Note: The Hooker may RB anyone they like.
brainbomb
Night-2 06:53
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Nurse should save maniac!

Hes right. Im.sorry my migraine was clogging my thinkin
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brainbomb
Night-2 06:49
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↑thamrick: "@BB - why did you immediately follow me onto RJ D1 only to spend the rest of the day defending him?"
Cuz im totes scum obviously.
Tom Bombadil
Night-2 06:47
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tham is scum.

Even that question he asked bb tries to paint himself in a good light by reminding everyone he voted RJ D1 - he doesn't even care about brains answer, he just wants to push the narrative that he voted for scum D1.
thamrick
Night-2 06:41
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↑Tom Bombadil: "Who here has played with thamrick before? Is he a softie like me?

He looks shitty D2, especially since he didn't vote r..."
I'm not going to answer your first question as either way, it isn't believable.

This game's players I've played with:
Balki Bartokomous
bo_sox48
brainbomb
DemonRHK
Jamiet99uk
Maniac
ND
reedeer1
VashtaNeurotic

I played M19 and M20. Town in M19, 3rd party in M20.

I don't know if any of them will remember much of me as I wasn't a high volume poster in either of those games.



@Tom -
"I would be very reluctant to bus someone who is new to mafia and drew scum their first game."

- Is that why you only addressed him directly twice this game?
↑Tom Bombadil: "@rj: why would you shoot those people?"
↑Tom Bombadil: "rj:

Why did you say that Jamie's flip totally blindsided you? It seems weird to me as I didn't get the impression that ..."
Seems weird to me that you have him listed in your acceptable lynches both times you posted them, yet never questioned him and still arrived at:
↑Tom Bombadil: "##vote rjmcf

I can't vote for someone just coming in as a sub - it seems cruel. rj's been on my radar since his reactio..."
The second of the above direct-address quotes is after the rj vote. Walk me through your vote reasoning for Rj please. What about Rj's reaction to the Jamiet lynch put him on your radar? A lot of things put Rj on my radar that come to mind, without looking back I can't remember anything about his reaction, and I was pretty focused on Rj at the time.
brainbomb
Night-2 06:39
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I dont find thamrick to be scummy in terms of gamesolving.

Its purely guilt by association/dissociation
brainbomb
Night-2 06:36
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I wanna lynch yavuz
Tom Bombadil
Night-2 06:35
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Just because I didn't directly address someone more than twice doesn't mean they shouldn't be an acceptable lynch. I bet the majority of my acceptable lynch pool at that time consisted of people whom I hadn't addressed often.

rj's reaction was fishy because it seemed insincere. He said he was "totally blindsided by Jamie's flip." That came across as forced because D1 he seemed to have a slight scumread of Jamie - suspicion at least - so I'm not sure why he would have been shocked at the flip.
Tom Bombadil
Night-2 06:35
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I'll post my new lynchpool soon, but yavuz will be in it too brain.
thamrick
Night-2 06:34
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↑brainbomb: "I dont find thamrick to be scummy in terms of gamesolving.

Its purely guilt by association/dissociation"
I get that. I've been on the wrong wagon both times, when I was scumreading the right wagon. I was strangely Jamiet's consistent townread. And Rj had me as a weak hedgy scumread. I get the case against me. And if I need to hang for it, so be it. I just think it shouldn't be a crime to be wrong. You'd think if I had prior knowledge, I would've been right at some point. If I'd been bussing both Jamiet and Rj by scumreading them, wouldn't I know it would look bad when they flipped and I wasn't on their wagon?
brainbomb
Night-2 06:31
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↑thamrick: "I get that. I've been on the wrong wagon both times, when I was scumreading the right wagon. I was strangely Jamiet's co..."
Naw. Yer pretty low on my list. No urgency.

You deserve longer life than fuckin worthless reedeer or yavuz. Or even bo
Tom Bombadil
Night-2 06:30
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Scum say: "@BB - why did you immediately follow me onto RJ D1 only to spend the rest of the day defending him?"

Town concerned with solving the game would ask: "@BB - why did you vote RJ D1 only to spend the rest of the day defending him?"

Only scum would force in a bit about how they voted RJ D1. Its defensive.
thamrick
Night-2 06:29
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↑Tom Bombadil: "Just because I didn't directly address someone more than twice doesn't mean they shouldn't be an acceptable lynch. I bet..."
Your first point is fair. Doesn't mean I don't find it odd that you stayed far away from Rj's erratic behavior.

You didn't address my question about how your arrived at your vote.

Can you point me to where you are getting that Rj seemed to have a Jamie scumread?
brainbomb
Night-2 06:28
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Why is anyone townreading bo
brainbomb
Night-2 06:25
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Dammit tom stop bussing thamrick and help me fish out what PR bo is gonna pretend to be
Tom Bombadil
Night-2 06:22
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bo's easy. if he survives a couple more nights we just lynch him (sort of joking). I haven't looked at his D2 much, so I'll reread.
thamrick
Night-2 06:21
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↑brainbomb: "Dammit tom stop bussing thamrick and help me fish out what PR bo is gonna pretend to be"
Why are you defending me? And can you please seriously answer my question about https://media.giphy.com/media/Ebu8aRL2qxMzK/giphy.gif (why you followed me onto RJ)? Your Rj interactions D1 don't make a lot of sense to me.
brainbomb
Night-2 06:21
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Bo's ISO consists of like 3 posts day 1 and anchor voting
And 7 posts day 2 and anchor voting

Then after we bagged 2 scum he comes on and whines that his case was ignored. He was upset we lynched scum
brainbomb
Night-2 06:20
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↑thamrick: "Why are you defending me? And can you please seriously answer my question about https://media.giphy.com/media/Ebu8aRL2qxMzK/giphy.gif (why you followed me onto RJ)? Your Rj int..."
I dont even have an answer to this
thamrick
Night-2 06:19
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I don't think Bo would be that obvious. He's too good for that.
Tom Bombadil
Night-2 06:19
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"Then after we bagged 2 scum he comes on and whines that his case was ignored. He was upset we lynched scum"

This seems NAI from bo. He gets pissy if we don't listen to him, regardless of the outcome.
brainbomb
Night-2 06:18
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Bo is horrible af as scum


Dont you understand bo is a meme?

#bo is the worst???

This is not a joke. Its legit. He always gets caught easily as scum
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brainbomb
Night-2 06:16
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I wasnt following you thamrick. I voted rj for absolutely no reason. I didnt think he was scum and I didnt care anymore at that pointm
brainbomb
Night-2 06:14
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I changed my mind on vash because he normally insists on my death when hes town.
Maniac
Night-2 06:09
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↑brainbomb: "Bo is horrible af as scum

#bo is the worst???

This is not a joke. Its legit. He always gets caught easily as scum"
In fairness to Bo he is also pretty terrible as town. I like people who are consistent.
brainbomb
Night-2 06:09
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I tried to ISO rjmcf last night before bed. It was like being a crackhead though. He did alright at being confusing.

My takeaway was
Mean - godfather
Yavuz - scum

But I also felt like jamie implied mean was town
So thats a mixup
brainbomb
Night-2 06:01
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Both jamie and rj listing mean as town


How on earth is Balki scum in that case?
thamrick
Night-2 05:59
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Bo won M20 as scum replacing a modkill. I thought he played really well that game.

Regardless, I don't have a strong read on Bo either way. I think he's presenting decent cases, which I see him doing either way, but I think they're helpful either way.
brainbomb
Night-2 05:57
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My analysis of both RJ and Jamie ISO puts scumteam at

{Ezio-yavuz--thamrick-MLQ}
thamrick
Night-2 05:57
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↑brainbomb: "My analysis of both RJ and Jamie ISO puts scumteam at

{Ezio-yavuz--thamrick-MLQ}"
Yo​u know that's 6 right?
brainbomb
Night-2 05:55
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↑thamrick: "You know that's 6 right?"
Yep.
thamrick
Night-2 05:55
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Man. If Yavuz and Rj were both scum, mafia team was screwed from the start.
brainbomb
Night-2 05:54
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If Balki was scum.

Two scum townreading a guy voting for their scumbuddy just makes so little sense
brainbomb
Night-2 05:52
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I like this queef person. But I kinda feel like they need to be sorted out asap
thamrick
Night-2 05:43
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↑thamrick: "Your first point is fair. Doesn't mean I don't find it odd that you stayed far away from Rj's erratic behavior.

You di..."
I still really want an answer to this question Tom. I don't want it to get lost
Tom Bombadil
Night-2 05:38
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I don’t have an answer - but that is the impression I gr at the time. I’d have to relook at d1 to see what gave me that impression
thamrick
Night-2 05:35
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@Tom - Tell me if I'm summarizing this correct, your case against Rj was based on his fishy reaction to the Jamiet flip due to him scumreading Jamiet
Tom Bombadil
Night-2 05:33
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Yup - the reaction seemed forced and insincere. I’d like to think this is a better conversation for tomorrow though.
yavuzovic
Night-2 05:29
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↑brainbomb: "My analysis of both RJ and Jamie ISO puts scumteam at

{Ezio-yavuz--thamrick-MLQ}"
St​art with me!
That would proves this claim is wrong.
thamrick
Night-2 05:28
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↑Tom Bombadil: "Yup - the reaction seemed forced and insincere. I’d like to think this is a better conversation for tomorrow though."
That's fine. In the meantime, reread D1 and tell me why you think the reaction seemed forced and insincere. Lots of things about Rj seemed off to me. That wasn't one of them.
brainbomb
Night-2 05:28
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Can you both offer an opinion on my analysis of rj and jamie soft clearing balki?
brainbomb
Night-2 05:25
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↑yavuzovic: "Start with me!
That would proves this claim is wrong."
Are you asking to be cop scanned?
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Tom Bombadil
Night-2 05:20
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@brain:

I think you analysis is faulty because it supposes Mean is scum (if I am following it correctly). I tend to not read too much into who flipped scum list as townreads and scumreads truthfully. That being said, I townread Balki and he isn't likely to end up in my "should lynch" list.
thamrick
Night-2 05:19
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↑brainbomb: "Can you both offer an opinion on my analysis of rj and jamie soft clearing balki?"
Can you point me to where their reads are? If not, I'll look at finding them. I just remember that RJ didn't have Balki or Mean listed in his full reads list.
yavuzovic
Night-2 05:17
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↑brainbomb: "Are you asking to be cop scanned?"
Lynch me! That would prove what am I exactly
brainbomb
Night-2 05:13
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Go back to like the first 8 pages.

Rcmjf comes in calling mean TOWNLEADER for voting balki and wanting to shoot me.

Jamie lists mean as town in his reads.

This lends credence to MeanLaqueefas voice. This is an effort to boost tye sincerity of balki pressure
thamrick
Night-2 05:11
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↑brainbomb: "Go back to like the first 8 pages.

Rcmjf comes in calling mean TOWNLEADER for voting balki and wanting to shoot me.

Ja..."
This was before the real bulk of the Balki/Mean exchange. Hard for me to draw a strong conclusion from it. Is there anything after that?
brainbomb
Night-2 05:08
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At the time mean is voting balki and wants to shoot me.

I asked why would two scum townread someone pushing their scumbuddy?

This isnt proof mean is scum.

Its arguing balki is softcleared.


Thamrick.

As soon as a flip goes down of scum.

Rereaf
brainbomb
Night-2 04:42
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Explain the psychology why two scum would townread someone voting scum!balki.

Explain it
brainbomb
Night-2 04:36
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Funny how neither of them have even reread or seem to care
DemonRHK
Night-2 04:34
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@Fox:

1:
↑DemonRHK: "Replying to Fox's points, P56

-On lurkers: I've said it before, but the gist is while I'm on board with lynching lurker..."
I made this post in response to you last time you brought this point up. the problem is, Vash didn't really come in to my satisfaction, so I voted him after bozo answered questions to my satisfaction. I was still in my mindset of ignoring Rj to try to break my tunneling I'd been doing on him, so I voted Vash, hoping he would actually contribute more than 10 words at a time, but he never did.

2:

Here's my biggest defense:

In what fucking universe do I bus Jamie and not Rj?

I voted Vash for reasons pointed out above, and went to Tom (A vote I had D1 as well, he's been scummy from my point of view), then went back to Vash, because of shift in Maniac's lynch list. Rj never popped up on that list until close to EoD, and by that time I was settled in on Vash, and to be completely honest with you, even once Rj was added, I failed to properly process it and didn't switch. My mind was looking ahead to other things I had to do last night, and I fucked up. That's not a great explanation, but it's the truth.
brainbomb
Night-2 04:13
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From the maf QT.

Tom: thamrick lets do some dinner theatre in the main thread. Lets distance bro

Thammykins: yea bro. Lets fire off a bunch of softball accusations at each other and that way if either of us gets shot nobody will suspect us.

Tom: fuck ya. Oh shit brain is tryna clear balki

DemonRHK: yea lemme swoop in and make it look like im mad!

Ezio: what should I do?

Tom: Nothin. Yer good at doin nothing cuz theres like ten bad town
Balki Bartokomous
Night-2 04:00
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@brainbomb, knock it off. I'm hardly clear. I just tried to lynch Vashta over RJ.

@Town,

Folks who have time to dedicate to this game tonight, please don't spend your time arguing with brainbomb. Go to the vote data! We've lynched two effing scumbuckets in two days. That is really bad for scum, and guaranteed they were trying to prevent it. That's how we find the last three scum.

It's not necessarily obvious. It doesn't mean they were hard-defending RJ or hard-defending Jamiet, or coming out with cases against Vashta, ND, and Balki. But they were likely doing subtle things that they believed (1) would result in their teammates surviving, and (2) would be hard to detect after flips.

Spend time there. Find those subtle things.

We have lots of useful data to look at now. Let's make good use of it.
Foxcastle
Night-2 03:56
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↑DemonRHK: "I made this post in response to you last time you brought this point up. the problem is, Vash didn't really come in to m..."
Maybe the universe where you lose the thief on Day 1, and then on Day 2 you are about to lose your witch, but there is at least the potential to save him if you don't bus him? Which is this universe.

I know I'm not going to get a better response out of you on Rjm. I just find it incredibly unlikely that you scumread Rjm for days, made him your 110% scumread, and then forgot about him at end of day. Particularly when someone gave you a list with his name on it, and you responded by calling it garbage.

As for Vash... You jumped on Vash as a pressure vote with 10 minutes to go??? Is that what you're saying? He had been posting and participating since 33 minutes out. He offered to answer questions, and you asked for a reads list, and he gave you one! But uh, yeah, better keep that pressure on.

Next question: You had been voting Bozo as a pressure vote, and when you were satisfied with his participation, you moved to Vash, 1:57 out. Bozo makes a post replying to Thamrick on some points, and then a bit later says to you that he still finds Vash most suspicious. This seems to prompt you to get off Vash (to Tom), saying "I don't like that bozo likes the wagon I'm on." But when you voted Vash the first time, you were joining Bozo as the only two votes on Vash. Can you explain to me why you didn't seem to mind joining Bozo's vote at 1:57 to go, but were suddenly disgusted that Bozo liked the wagon you were on at 32 to go?
Foxcastle
Night-2 03:52
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Actually, I see that you actually answered my question on Vash, which I did ask about the first time you voted, and didn't refer to the second time you voted him.

Sorry, my criticism of you for your second vote is unwarranted, since you were responding to my question about the first Vash vote.
thamrick
Night-2 03:38
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​If Mean is town -
it seems weird for RJ to latch onto her being town leader. I agree it seemed like he was doing it because of her Balki read. I don't know why that would make sense as it seems like it's going off the assumption that Mean should know that Balki is a good mafia player and that he's a tough D1 target, which neither of them would know because they're both new and didn't have access to the QT yet. He might have actually believed that she had good reasoning about the gun and about her Balki accusation even if he didn't buy the Balki accusation. He didn't even say he was townreading Balki. He seemed like he weirdly backed off the Balki read:
↑Rjmcf: "@brainbomb I don’t have a strong read on balki yet. Her read wasn’t what I and everyone else was impressed with. Are you..."

I struggle to buy the Jamiet consistently listing her as town D1 aspect of this though. She didn't give me overly townie vibes D1 when Jamiet had posted his first reads. It could have been him trying to win over an easy sheep in a new player or maybe he knew Balki was scum and that him flipping scum would make Jamiet look better by townreading the person that was accusing him.

In this case:
Balki town - explains Rj's hedgy Balki read while pushing Mean as townleader while she's voting Balki. Balki was pushing Jamiet. Jamiet putting Mean as town maybe he hoped that would eliminate Balki and relieve the pressure on him.

Balki scum - hard to explain why Rj would be so focused on pushing Mean as townleader while not scumreading Balki. Clearly not bussing, but also working against his scum buddy.


​If Mean is scum -
Rj was a newbie scum. He was WAY too focused on Mean being townleader. He could have been trying to set up Mean as a lead voice in the town to direct mislynches. This is a bold strategy and he was very transparent about it if it's the case.

Jamiet listed RJ as scum twice. His first time in particular is funny knowing RJ's alignment - "Rjcmf looks quite scummy right now" He was already setting up ability to walk back on it. Regardless though, Jamiet would've know that RJ was making himself look very suspicious. To me, listing Mean as town would have been risky since there was already a clear RJ-Mean link.

In this case:
Balki town - Mean just happened to be focused on Balki while RJ pushed her as a leader. Balki was pressuring Jamiet so Mean kept after Balki and Jamiet propped Mean up too (this is the part I struggle with. I have a hard time believing Jamiet didn't know RJ would eventually hang for his weirdness and attempting to distance himself (which he did) and the rest of his team from RJ (which listing Mean as townread doesn't do))

Balki scum - VERY hard for me to believe. RJ propping Mean while she was bussing Balki and Balki going hard after Jamiet just doesn't make sense. The Jamiet-RJ-Mean-Balki scumteam would be the most disfunctional scumteam ever.


So breaking down the 4 cases, I agree. It seems like the two most likely scenarios soft-clear Balki.
brainbomb
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​"Day One Vote Count 4.1

ND (4): snowy801*, bozotheclown, Rjmcf, Foxcastle
Balki Bartokomous (3): MeanLaQueefa, yavuzovic, Maniac*
DemonRHK (2): Tom Bombadil, Ezio
VastaNeurotic (2): Jamiet99uk, brainbomb
Jamiet99uk (2): Balki Bartokomous, DemonRHK
brainbomb (1): bo_sox48
yavuzovic (1): dargorygel
Rjmcf (1): thamrick
Ezio (1): rdrivera2005
RDrivera2005 (1): reedeer1
Reedeer1 (1): VashtaNeurotic
snowy801 (1):ND


Not voted (1): SuperSteve

Currently ND is set to be lynched. You have 18 minutes remaining."
Wolve candidates are the bolded folk.

​"1. DemonRHK - WS MeanLaQueefa (his 3rd scumread)
2. Foxcastle - no answer
3. ND - no answer
4. bozotheclown -no answer
5. Ezio - no answrr
6. rdrivera2005 - no answer despite promising he would at Start of night
7. yavuzovic - WS vash
8. rjmcf - Demon or Ezio
9. Balki Bartokomous - would give all a facial then shoot dargo
10. Jamiet99uk DEAD
11. reedeer1 - WS Ezio or Rjmcf but not his top scumread rivera
12. brainbomb
13. VashtaNeurotic - wants no guns given out
14. Tom Bombadil - WS bozo or Rjmcf
15. Maniac - no answer*
16. dargorygel - no answer
17. thamrick WS vash or Rjmcf
18. snowy801 - no answer*
19. bo_sox48 - no answer
20. MeanLaQueefa - will shoot bb
21. SuperSteve*"
Tom opens voting mean instead of either top shot.
Reedeer ends up voting bo all day as placeholder
Thamrick gave up on his rj read
Yavuz would shoot vash but never ends up pushing vash
Demon would shoot mean but never votes them
brainbomb
Night-2 03:34
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Reedeer shouldve been bolded in top one too
brainbomb
Night-2 03:33
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ND probably not scum
Doubt a newb scum tries to bus. With no coaching.
brainbomb
Night-2 03:31
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Tom reedeer and tham.all say theyd shoot rjmcf but all list him.2nd best choice
rdrivera2005
Night-2 03:26
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Finally got some time today to read the thread. I agree that the most likely cenario is Balki being town. Will try to do some vote analisys and post my reads as I don´t know when I will be online again.
brainbomb
Night-2 03:21
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Is that subtle enough for ye balki
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bo_sox48
Night-2 03:18
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↑brainbomb: "Bo's ISO consists of like 3 posts day 1 and anchor voting
And 7 posts day 2 and anchor voting

Then after we bagged 2 sc..."
I've been ignoring what you say because you've been more interested in stroking your fat ego and spamming the thread than earning the credibility to have an influential voice in this game, but now you've gone so far as to begin slandering me and that's just low. I posted 36 times on day 2, far more than the majority of the players in this game, and I voted for who was at the time my top scumread and also just so happened to be the top wagon. Why are you fabricating statistics and lying about my actions? That's lame, brain.
thamrick
Night-2 03:18
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@Brain - when is that would shoot list from? Looks like start of D2, correct?
brainbomb
Night-2 03:16
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Last would shoot list of N2
brainbomb
Night-2 03:09
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Bo.

Why does newb scum!rjmcf vote scum!ND and stay on him thru EOD.

Do you think a first time player with no encryption maf day chat knows to bus there?
brainbomb
Night-2 03:03
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I get that im annoying and preachy and wrong alot.

But when you start giving me facts I can present and digest Im pretty fucking useful.

Answer my thoughts.

Why would RJMCF be bussing a teammate at EOD1
brainbomb
Night-2 03:02
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Usually the explanation in these situations is the scum settled on town and crossed fingers. We call it being frozen.

Rj was frozen EOD2 as well.
brainbomb
Night-2 03:01
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Being frozen scum on scum is late game.
Ask.foxcastle about that.

It does happen but not typically early on.

I lean town on ND for this
bo_sox48
Night-2 03:00
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↑brainbomb: "Why does newb scum!rjmcf vote scum!ND and stay on him thru EOD."
Good question. He probably wouldn't.

Can you stop posting for like two seconds so my post can actually go through without the post review popping up?
bo_sox48
Night-2 02:58
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Are you going to explain why you're making up statistics in order to justify a scumread or is that something I'm just supposed to forget about?
brainbomb
Night-2 02:55
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Sure. But one last example.

I got frozen on ghug a few games back. I hard bussed him. If yer gonna bus do it early not late.

Rhk fits as being a wolf frozen on jamie.

He added his vote 18 minutes out and called me out saying I bailed on it. Pretty deterministic
DemonRHK
Night-2 02:53
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↑Foxcastle: "Next question: You had been voting Bozo as a pressure vote, and when you were satisfied with his participation, you move..."
I didn't really pay attention until he mentioned it, and when I started looking at wagons more closely near end of day. Not the diatribe you were expecting, but I'm just going to be honest. I voted without looking at who was on the wagon.
Foxcastle
Night-2 02:52
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I agree with Brain here.
Rjm sat on ND from 2:12 out from EOD, having previously been on Ezio. He actually put ND in the lead with that vote. Okay, 2 hours is a long time, maybe he bussed. But then he disappears and doesn't post again until 7 minutes until lynch, when ND is still in the lead. If ND is also scum, that would have been the time to have a change of heart; if ND is town, the vote is fine, leave it there, which is what happened.
Tom Bombadil
Night-2 02:51
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I've got a meeting tonight at 5:30 - so I'll likely be posting reads then. And its really good stuff. Ya'll should look forward to it..
bo_sox48
Night-2 02:50
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Rj did the exact same thing to Tom on D2. Tom was tied for the lead when Rj posted last on D2.
Foxcastle
Night-2 02:49
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@DemonRHK. Yeah, that's reasonable.
bo_sox48
Night-2 02:49
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Posting that he was comfortable with his vote on Tom, no less.
thamrick
Night-2 02:36
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What I find weird is that after the heat RJ brought on himself D1, his posting actually increased on D2. If I was scum team, I definitely would've told him to try to keep a lower profile.
brainbomb
Night-2 02:35
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↑bo_sox48: "Rj did the exact same thing to Tom on D2. Tom was tied for the lead when Rj posted last on D2."
Have you ever heard of the Maf QT?
Amazing things happen in those.

Nice try big bad bo
Tom Bombadil
Night-2 02:33
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brain has scumread me hard in every game we've played - no matter what I do. Or what the evidence says. I think he just relishes the idea of lynching me for some reason. I've grown used to it.
brainbomb
Night-2 02:32
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↑thamrick: "What I find weird is that after the heat RJ brought on himself D1, his posting actually increased on D2. If I was scum t..."
It wouldve been too 0bvious.
He was riding the twtbw strategem to the end.
You dont advise a complete character transfornation.

I always say "you be you" to my teammates.